CBCP CLARIFICATION ON TRAITORS' GROUP 'C4RH'

 

  Source: CBCP CLARIFICATION ON TRAITORS' GROUP 'C4RH'

Tomas nagulat, napasabi ng 'My Lord and My God'?

The Doubting Thomas

MAY REAKSYON po itong KAANIB ng INC ni FELIX Y. MANALO na ang pakilala ay KATOLIKO de BOBO.

Para po HINDI MASYADONG MAHABA ay PAIIKLIIN po NATIN ang PANGALAN NIYA bilang "KA BOBO." Tutal po ay IYAN ang GUSTO NIYANG PANGALAN.

Ang isyu po ay ang sinasabi sa JOHN 20:28 kung saan SINABI ni TOMAS na si KRISTO ay "MY LORD and MY GOD!"

TUTOL po si KA BOBO sa sinabi ni Tomas sa JOHN 20:28 dahil ayon sa aral ng INC na ITINAYO ni MANALO noong HULYO 27, 1914, ay HINDI DIYOS ang PANGINOONG HESUS.

TOMAS NAGULAT?

Sabi po ni KA BOBO sa COMMENTS ng FELIX MANALO VS ROSITA TRILLANES: MAY RAPE BA O WALA? (July 26, 2012 6:20 PM):

Nagulat si THOMAS! panu ba magulat ang TAO? ay DIYOS ko po! Isip isip muna bago COMMENT!

 

Ayun, ang sinasabi po nitong INC na si KA BOBO ay "NAGULAT" lang si TOMAS kaya napasabi ng "PANGINOON KO at DIYOS KO!"

Ang tanong ay NAGKAGULATAN nga lang po ba kaya iyan nasabi ni TOMAS.

Suriin po natin ang mga pangyayari.

'MY LORD AND MY GOD!'

Para po maunawaan natin ang talata ay dapat po nating basahin ang KONTEKSTO o ang BUONG PANGYAYARI ayon sa salaysay sa JOHN 20.

Simulan po natin ang pagbabasa sa John 20:19 at ituloy hanggang verse 29.

JOHN 20:19-29

When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you." 

After he said this, he showed them his hands and his side.

Then the disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."

When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

But Thomas (who was called the Twin), one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord."

But he said to them, "Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands, and put my finger in the mark of the nails and my hand in his side, I will not believe."

A week later his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them.

Although the doors were shut, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you."

Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe."

Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe."

TOMAS AYAW MANIWALA

Basically ay may DALAWANG EKSENA sa ulat na iyan.

1. Ang unang pagpapakita ng Panginoong Hesus sa Kanyang mga alagad kung saan wala si Tomas (John 20:19-25), at

2. Ang pangalawang pagpapakita kung saan naroon na si Tomas. (John 20:26-29)

Makikita po natin na sa pagkatapos ng UNANG PAGPAPAKITA ay sinabi ng mga Apostol kay Tomas na NAGPAKITA sa kanila ang Panginoong Hesus.

Kung iisipin natin ang sinabi ng INC na si KA BOBO, masasabi natin na HINDI na MAARING IKAGULAT ni Tomas kung magpakita sa Kanya ng Panginoong Hesus dahil ALAM NA NIYA e.

Isang dahilan kung bakit magugulat ang isang tao ay kung may mangyaring HINDI NIYA ALAM at HINDI NIYA INAASAHAN.

Sa kaso ni Tomas ay ALAM na NIYA ang MAARING MANGYARI dahil NANGYARI NA sa mga KASAMA NIYA. Pangalawa, maari na niyang ASAHAN na MAGPAPAKITA ang PANGINOON. Kaya nga MAY HAMON pa siya na MAKITA at MAHIPO ang mga SUGAT ng KRISTO.

MAY IDEYA na si Tomas na buhay ang Panginoong Hesus. Ang problema na lang niya ay AYAW NIYANG MANIWALA at kailangan niya ng pruweba.

NAGULAT NGA BA?

Sa ikalawang beses na nagpakita ang Panginoong Hesus ay naroon na si Tomas.

Isa-isahin po natin ang mga pangyayari at tingnan po natin kung NAGKAGULATAN tulad ng sinasabi ng INC ni MANALO.

JOHN 20:26

A week later his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were shut, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you."

Ayun, TATLO po ang NANGYARI ayon sa talata:

1. PUMASOK sa BAHAY ang Panginoong Hesus

2. TUMAYO Siya sa GITNA NILA

3. BUMATI SIYA ng "Peace be with you."

Sa palagay po ninyo, KUNG NAGKAGULATAN ay ANONG BAHAGI pa iyon DAPAT NANGYARI?

Noong PUMASOK sa BAHAY ang PANGINOONG HESUS.

Diyan ay MAARING MAGULAT ang mga Apostol dahil BIGLA na lang DUMATING si KRISTO.

Pero kahit nagkaganoon ay MAY INDIKASYON po ba na NAGKAGULATAN?

WALA po.

LUMAKAD NA, TUMAYO AT BUMATI PA

Katunayan, NAKALAPIT at NAKATAYO pa ang PANGINOONG HESUS na WALANG NAG-REACT.

Pangatlo, NAKABATI pa SIYA sa mga APOSTOL.

Kayo po ba ay NAGUGULAT PA kung NAKITA na NINYONG PUMASOK, NAKITA NA NINYONG TUMAYO sa GITNA NINYO at NARINIG pa NINYONG BUMATI sa INYO?

HINDI na po.

Ika nga ay WALA NA ang ELEMENT of SURPRISE. WALA nang BIGLAAN. WALA nang GULATAN.

ALAM o AWARE na KAYO na NAROON si KRISTO e. HINDI na KAYO MAGUGULAT.

Sa palagay po ba ninyo ay NAKITA NA ni TOMAS ang PANGINOONG HESUS nung DUMATING ITO, LUMAKAD PALAPIT, TUMAYO SA GITNA NILA at BUMATI PA?

OO naman po.

At dahil NAKITA NA NI TOMAS ang PANGINOONG HESUS at NARINIG PANG MAGSALITA ay WALA NANG DAHILAN para SIYA ay MAGULAT.

PERSONAL NA USAPAN

Ngayon, heto po ang maganda: Matapos MAKITA na PUMASOK si KRISTO, LUMAKAD PALAPIT sa KANILA, TUMAYO SA GITNA NILA at BUMATI, ay HINARAP MISMO ni HESUS si TOMAS at KINAUSAP.

PERSONAL na SINABI ng PANGINOONG HESUS kay TOMAS: "Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe."

Sa punto pong iyan ay NAG-USAP NA sina Hesus at Tomas. PINAHAWAKAN PA nga ang KANYANG MGA SUGAT e.

Tapos noon ay SINABIHAN pa uli si TOMAS, "HUWAG KANG MAG-ALINLANGAN kundi MANIWALA."

Kung paniniwalaan po natin si KA BOBO at ang INC ni MANALO, pagkatapos ng MARAMING NANGYARI mula noong DUMATING si HESUS hanggang sa PERSONAL na KAUSAPIN si TOMAS ay NAGULAT pa rin yung APOSTOL!

Sa isip ng INC ni MANALO ay NASOBRAHAN ng KAPE si TOMAS kaya NAGULAT pa rin sa pagkakataong iyon.

Pero KATAWA-TAWA na po kung paniniwalaan pa natin ang INC ni MANALO na NAGULAT pa si TOMAS, di po ba?

'PANGINOONG KO AT DIYOS KO'

Ngayon, ayon sa JOHN 20:28 ay ANO po ba itong SINABI ni TOMAS na "MY LORD AND MY GOD" ("PANGINOON KO AT DIYOS KO!")?

SIGAW po ba ng PAGKAGULAT YAN?

HINDI po.

Sa simpleng pagbasa sa JOHN 20:28 ay makikita natin na iyan ay SAGOT ni TOMAS sa SINABI ni KRISTO na "HUWAG MAG-ALINLANGAN kundi MANIWALA."

Sabi nga sa talata, "Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"

Kung sa ORIHINAL na GREEK pa po ay sinasabi na "APEKRITHE" na mula sa salitang "apokrinomai" na ang kahulugan ay "SAGOT" o "SUMAGOT." (STRONG'S NO. 611

So, kung sa SINABI ni KRISTO na DAPAT MANIWALA ay ISINAGOT ni Tomas ang "PANGINOON KO at DIYOS KO," ano ang PANINIWALA na IPINAHAYAG ng Apostol?

Iyan po ang PANINIWALA na si KRISTO ay PANGINOON at DIYOS!

APRUBADO KAY HESUS

Ngayon, baka sabihin po ng mga INC ni MANALO ay "NAGKAMALI" lang si TOMAS. MAGKAKAMALI na naman po SILA.

KUNG NAGKAMALI si TOMAS ay SASAWAYIN SIYA ni KRISTO. Ang kaso ay HINDI po.

Sa halip na sawayin si Tomas ay INAPRUBAHAN pa ni HESUS ang PAHAYAG ng alagad.

Sabi ni Kristo, "Have you believed because you have seen me?" ("NANINIWALA KA NA ba dahil nakita mo ako?")

Ano po yung PINANIWALAAN ni TOMAS?

Yung SINABI NIYANG si HESUS ay PANGINOON at DIYOS.

INC NI MANALO SABLAY NA NAMAN

So, MALINAW po na WALANG GULATANG NANGYARI at ang SINABI ni TOMAS ay HINDI DAHIL NAGULAT LANG SIYA.

Mismong talata ay NAGSASABI na ang SINABI ni TOMAS ay HINDI BULALAS ng NAGULAT kundi SAGOT sa SINABI ng PANGINOON.

At MISMONG si KRISTO ang SUMUPORTA sa SINABI ni TOMAS na SIYA ay PANGINOON at DIYOS.

Salamat po.

Source: Tomas nagulat, napasabi ng 'My Lord and My God'? 

PRES. BENIGNO AQUINO OBLIVIOUS TO THE REAL PROBLEM IN EDUCATION - BISHOP

P-noy oblivious to
real problem in education — bishop

SAN PABLO City, July 26, 2012―A Catholic bishop chided President Benigno Aquino III for using an increasing student population as scapegoat to drum up support for the reproductive health (RH) bill.

Aquino is confused as to the real reasons for the backlogs in classrooms and facilities, and instead he used the student population as scapegoat, San Pablo Bishop Leo Drona said on Tuesday.

Drona was reacting to P-noy’s State of the Nation Address (SONA) where the president elaborated on the Responsible Parenthood Bill (otherwise known as Reproductive Health Bill) as the possible solution to the lack of facilities in various schools, the backlogs of student population and the economy.

The bishop, who recently celebrated the 25th anniversary of his Episcopal ordination on, said the chief executive was misleading the nation into believing that aggressive population reduction through an RH law would be better for the country.

The prelate noted that no less than US State Secretary Hillary Clinton said the following in one of her speeches on reproductive health: “And if we’re talking about maternal health, you cannot have maternal health without reproductive health. And reproductive health includes contraception and family planning and access to legal, safe abortion.”

Drona said P-noy should properly allocate government funds and totally put a stop to all forms of graft and corruption in various areas of government.

“His efforts at improving the economy and curving misuse of public funds are still lacking.”

The prelate is urging all parish priests, rectors, chaplains, and administrators of parishes and institutions to continue praying the Oratio Imperata after every mass in their respective areas until the president and Congress put a stop to the anti-life, anti-family measure.

Drona also said he is exhorting all parish priests, rectors, and chaplains to consecrate their respective parishioners to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary during their masses for moral and spiritual strength. (Fr. Romy Ponte)

 

 

Source:PRES. BENIGNO AQUINO OBLIVIOUS TO THE REAL PROBLEM IN EDUCATION - BISHOP 

APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION IN THE ANGLICAN AND AGLIPAYAN CHURCH

Pope St. Gregory the Great sends the monk St. Augustine of Canterbury to evangelize the pagan England around the year 597AD.

Anonymous May 19, 2012 10:15 AM

Father nakakalito po. MAy nabasa po ako na ang Anglican church ay naniniwala sa apostolic succession. Pero bakit ito pong Aglipayanong ka-full communion nila ay hindi???

Fr. Abe, CRS May 21, 2012 6:25 AM

OFFICIALLY QUESTIONABLE ANG BELIEF NG MGA ANGLICANS SA APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION KASI NGA THEY REFUSED TO BE UNITED WITH THE CHURCH OF ROME AND THEY BROKE THE LINE OF SUCCESSION BY INVENTING THEIR OWN CHURCH FOUNDED BY THEIR KING HENRY VIII. BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME WHO UPHOLD IT AND THEY CLAIM THAT THE ANGLICAN CHURCH IS THE MIDDLE CHURCH BETWEEN CATHOLIC AND ORTHODOX BUT OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT TRUE.

MANY OF THOSE WHO ARE CONVINCED OF THE NECESSITY OF APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION LIKE BLESSED JOHN HENRY NEWMAN CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

THE AGLIPAY IS A DISTINCT AND UNIQUE ANIMAL EVEN THOUGH IT IS AFFILIATED WITH ANGLICANS AND EPISCOPALIANS. BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO IMITATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE CLAIMING THAT WE ARE ONLY ONE BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE PROTESTANTS. THE AGLIPAY HAS AN ELEMENT OF DECEPTION AND SELF-HALLUCINATION IN THE PHILIPPINES. IMAGINE, THEY CLAIM TO UPHOLD 'SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE' YET THEY ARE USING CHAPELS AND LOTS THAT ARE GOVERNMENT OWNED. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES.

Source: APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION IN THE ANGLICAN AND AGLIPAYAN CHURCH

THE CONVERSION OF BORN-AGAIN PASTOR MICHAEL CUMBIE

Former Pentecostal preacher Mike Cumbie now a Catholic lay preacher...

If you had told me the truth would have led me to the Roman Catholic Church, I would have slapped you and your momma. SHUT UP!

by Leonard Alt on Sunday, July 1, 2012 at 4:21am ·

 

MICHAEL CUMBIE; “Catholic!!!  There is no such thing as truth and Catholic in the same sentence.  That was just the way I was raised.” 

What would make this Protestant pastor for twenty three years convert to Catholicism? “I wanted to go back to the beginning, cause there is so many denominations and I love them all.  All filled with wonderful Christian people.  But a lot of confusion among us as Protestants, about whose version of the Bible is the right version, whose interpretation is the right interpretation…no authority.”

Baptism doeth now save you; that was in my Baptist bible and I never saw it because I had Baptist glasses.   Whatever your tradition is, and this is not a criticism, this is how it should be.   If you’re a Southern Baptist, then when you read the Bible you put on your Southern Baptist glasses and that’s the filter.  If you’re a Methodist, you have Methodist glasses.  If you are Presbyterian, the filter the lens through which you see is going to be from your denomination.  This is the way it should be.  Somebody said “well Michael all you did was trade off all those glasses in for a set of Catholic glasses.  I said that’s true, but there the original pair.   That is who gave us the Scripture and the Catholic Church is really the one that has the authority to interpret the book. 

Michael has made a couple of excellent points here.  The Bible alone is not enough to solve the confusion of whose interpretation is correct and that is why he wanted to go back to the beginning.  The second point he makes is the type of glasses you wear determines how you interpret the Bible.   In this he is admitting that everybody is coming from somewhere and is actually admitting that everyone has a tradition that colors how they see the Bible. 

One of the things I always liked about the Catholic Church is that it is a very honest church.  The Church admits up front that we follow the Bible and the teaching TRADITION of the Catholic Church.  Protestants will admit that the Catholic Church has a tradition and in fact will criticize the Catholic Church for it.   All the while, they will deny they too have a tradition as well.  This is not very honest because they too see Scripture through their own set of glasses.   A non-Catholic who gets to the point of honestly admitting that they have a TRADITION is well on his way to becoming Catholic whether he knows it or not.   

MICHAEL CUMBIE IS AN EXCELLENT WRITER AND SPEAKER IF YOU WISH TO HEAR THE REST OF THE STORY CONTACT HIM ON FACE BOOK OR the website The Catholic Company for his materials.   http://search.catholiccompany.com/search?w=Cumbie

 

Source:THE CONVERSION OF BORN-AGAIN PASTOR MICHAEL CUMBIE  

THE SOURCE OF ELLEN GOULD WHITE'S HALLUCINATORY VISIONS by Eric

An examination of Ellen Gould White's brain. The woman founder of Seventh Day Adventist must have been suffering from brain damage.

Anonymous July 6, 2012 12:42 AM

If everyone of you will read the Holy Bible without being influenced by any of your priests but by the Holy Spirit alone, all of you will become Seventh-Day Adventists.

Anonymous July 6, 2012 11:31 AM

Isaiah 3:12
"O My people! Their oppressors are children,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths."

Ellen Gould White (born Harmon) (November 26, 1827 – July 16, 1915) was a prolific author and an American Christian pioneer. She, along with other Sabbatarian Adventist leaders, such as Joseph Bates and her husband James White, formed what is now known as the Seventh-day Adventist Church. (wikipedia)

There's your Ellen Gould White...

According to my friend who is a neurologist and my partner in practice who is a neurosurgeon, sometimes after a head injury a person may experience seizures and have visions and hallucinations. In the 18th century, the medical field wasn't as advanced and as knowledgeable as what we have today. Someone hit with a rock on the head like Ellen Gould White would be observed for any increases in ICP as well as for seizure episodes if it happened in this era. And any visions or hallucinations would be attributed to her head injury.

- Eric

Source: THE SOURCE OF ELLEN GOULD WHITE'S HALLUCINATORY VISIONS by Eric

GAMALIEL VS TOTAL APOSTASY HERESY

The Catholic Cathedral in Kiev

Anonymous July 8, 2012 4:56 AM

Acts 5:34-42,
A Pharisee in the Sanhedrin named Gamaliel,
a teacher of the law, respected by all the people,
stood up, ordered the Apostles to be put outside for a short time,
and said to the Sanhedrin, “Fellow children of Israel,
be careful what you are about to do to these men.
Some time ago, Theudas appeared, claiming to be someone important,
and about four hundred men joined him, but he was killed,
and all those who were loyal to him
were disbanded and came to nothing.
After him came Judas the Galilean at the time of the census.
He also drew people after him,
but he too perished and all who were loyal to him were scattered.
So now I tell you,
have nothing to do with these men, and let them go.
For if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin,
it will destroy itself.
But if it comes from God, you will not be able to destroy them;
you may even find yourselves fighting against God.”

kung totoo ang total apostasy then nagkatotoo ang sinabi ni gamaliel. lalabas na di rin galing sa Diyos ang Panginoon kasi nawala ang kanyang Iglesia na itinatag.

Source: GAMALIEL VS TOTAL APOSTASY HERESY

HOW CAN JESUS BE THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN IF HE IS GOD HIMSELF? by Gregor Alfonsin Pondoyo

The magnificent architecture of the Catholic Church in Lagos, Nigeria

Gregor Alfonsin Pondoyo July 8, 2012 12:49 AM

Out of the blue itong comment ko pero & I always encounter this kind of reasoning among INC adherents so I will try to connect it here po. INCs always assert that because it is written:

For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [1 Timothy 2:5]

Jesus then is NOT God because how can one be a mediator at the same time the God- according to INCs.

It is good to note that common sense tells us that "PERFECT mediation requires PERFECT representation."

1) As God
Christ is Perfect mediator between God & man because HE perfectly represents GOD as such He is the IMAGE of the invisible God [Colossians 1:15] & that the fullness of God is in Him [Col. 2:9]. He is the Word of God [John 1:1-18 & Rev. 19:16] who came down & became human [Philippians 2:6-7].

2) As Man
Because He became flesh [Jn 1:14 & Philippians 2:6-7] or man He has completely & perfectly represented us men before the Father & is able to become a perfect sacrifice for our sins because NO MERE human can take away humanity's sins except if He is DIVINE [Mark 2:7].

Because being a Perfect Mediator means perfect REPRESENTATION then we can say that Jesus is indeed ONE with the Father [John 10:30] as such ALL that belongs to the Father is Jesus' also [John 16:15]. That's why WORSHIPING Christ is not blasphemy [Matthew 28:17] because it is good to worship God ONLY [Luke 4:8].

Source: HOW CAN JESUS BE THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN IF HE IS GOD HIMSELF? by Gregor Alfonsin Pondoyo