Richard Dean Anderson October 4, 2012 11:31 PM
That Catholic priests, like you "Father" Abe, have the authority to forgive sins through the sacrament of confession, is a clever scheme of the deceivers. It is, in fact, the proof that the Catholic priests are the transgressors of Christ's commandment in Mat. 23:9, if we buy "Father" Abe's idea of that cited verse. Why? Referring to Mat. 23:9, Father Abe wrote,
"WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE PROHIBITION THEN? THAT THE AUTHORITY OF GOD MUST NOT BE USURPED BY MEN AND THAT WE MUST ALL CONSIDER GOD AS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY OF OUR LIFE BECAUSE HE IS OUR FATHER."
Isn't proclaiming yourself a "Father" in the sense that you are a "Father of souls", just like God, a daring and stubborn act of equality with God? And forgiving sins thru confession a usurpation of God's authority?
Did Christ give the Apostles the authority to forgive sins thru confession, the way Catholic priests do to forgive the sins of their members? No! What Christ gave to his Apostles was the authority to baptize for forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38), not the authority to forgive sins thru confession, not the usurpation of God's authority. Only God can forgive the sins committed against Him by his people. The Catholic priests are usurping that authority. Hence, the Catholic priests are, as how "Father" Abe explains the meaning of the prohibition in Mat. 23:9, the ones who violated that prohibition.
Not to mention the fact that the Catholic clergy are parading in robes
arrayed like Christ, The Lamb of God, calling themselves "Father". Christ never dared call Himself "Father" the way wolves-in-sheep's-clothing do! The Pope, claiming to be the "Vicar of Christ", even went higher than Christ and the Apostles in this respect.
Never did the Apostles usurp God’s authority, nor did they strive to be puffed up and reach for God’s title. Only Satan did and his army of darkness who are trying to rob God of His glory and to bring Him down to their level!
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that your title “Father” is used in the same sense as how Paul the Apostle used it, can you please tell me: how did Paul become a father? Is it the same as your being a “Father”? In what way? In the same context, is David’s or Abraham’s fatherhood the same as yours?
There’s no argument that in the Bible there are a lot of human persons who were called “father”. But for sure they’re not the type of father whom Christ was referring to when He made the prohibition in Mat. 23:9; otherwise, Christ would have been contradicting the Bible. Therefore there’s no sense bringing those Biblical fathers into the argument since mentioning them in no way justifies your “Father” title which is ridiculously different from those of the Biblical characters.
You might insist on the sanity of your argument by claiming that your fatherhood is indeed the same as those of the biblical fathers you mentioned. Then you are left with the obligation to show us your proof of equality of your fatherhood with those whom you mentioned. The burden of proof is yours, “Father”. Please show them to us and I’ll try to examine the veracity or flimsiness of your claims.
"WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE PROHIBITION THEN? THAT THE AUTHORITY OF GOD MUST NOT BE USURPED BY MEN AND THAT WE MUST ALL CONSIDER GOD AS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY OF OUR LIFE BECAUSE HE IS OUR FATHER."
Isn't proclaiming yourself a "Father" in the sense that you are a "Father of souls", just like God, a daring and stubborn act of equality with God? And forgiving sins thru confession a usurpation of God's authority?
Did Christ give the Apostles the authority to forgive sins thru confession, the way Catholic priests do to forgive the sins of their members? No! What Christ gave to his Apostles was the authority to baptize for forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38), not the authority to forgive sins thru confession, not the usurpation of God's authority. Only God can forgive the sins committed against Him by his people. The Catholic priests are usurping that authority. Hence, the Catholic priests are, as how "Father" Abe explains the meaning of the prohibition in Mat. 23:9, the ones who violated that prohibition.
Not to mention the fact that the Catholic clergy are parading in robes
arrayed like Christ, The Lamb of God, calling themselves "Father". Christ never dared call Himself "Father" the way wolves-in-sheep's-clothing do! The Pope, claiming to be the "Vicar of Christ", even went higher than Christ and the Apostles in this respect.
Never did the Apostles usurp God’s authority, nor did they strive to be puffed up and reach for God’s title. Only Satan did and his army of darkness who are trying to rob God of His glory and to bring Him down to their level!
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that your title “Father” is used in the same sense as how Paul the Apostle used it, can you please tell me: how did Paul become a father? Is it the same as your being a “Father”? In what way? In the same context, is David’s or Abraham’s fatherhood the same as yours?
There’s no argument that in the Bible there are a lot of human persons who were called “father”. But for sure they’re not the type of father whom Christ was referring to when He made the prohibition in Mat. 23:9; otherwise, Christ would have been contradicting the Bible. Therefore there’s no sense bringing those Biblical fathers into the argument since mentioning them in no way justifies your “Father” title which is ridiculously different from those of the Biblical characters.
You might insist on the sanity of your argument by claiming that your fatherhood is indeed the same as those of the biblical fathers you mentioned. Then you are left with the obligation to show us your proof of equality of your fatherhood with those whom you mentioned. The burden of proof is yours, “Father”. Please show them to us and I’ll try to examine the veracity or flimsiness of your claims.
[That Catholic priests, like you "Father" Abe, have the authority to forgive sins through the sacrament of confession, is a clever scheme of the deceivers.]
HA HA HA... NOW YOU ARE CHANGING TOPICS HA. YOU ARE TRANSFERRING ON THE AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS. WHY? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET BIBLICAL VERSES FOR THE ANGEL OF PUNTA STA. ANA, COMMONWEALTH AND DILIMAN QUEZON CITY? HA HA HA... HOW ABOUT THE BIBLICAL VERSE FOR THE TITLE OF MANALO: "EXECUTIVE MINISTER" AND "DEPUTY EXECUTIVE MINISTER"? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE SACRED SCRIPTURES ON HOW THE LEADERS OF THE TRUE CHURCH WERE GIVEN POWERS TO FORGIVE SINS:
John 20:22-23 [KJV] "And when he (Jesus) had said this, he breathed on them (Apostles), and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost;WHOSE SOEVER SINS YE REMIT, THEY ARE REMITTED UNTO THEM; AND WHOSE SOEVER SINS YE RETAIN, THEY ARE RETAINED."
Which Church is the fulfillment of this Biblical Passage? THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!
The fact that your ministers cannot forgive sins is a proof that you are FAKE because you do not possess the spiritual powers and authorities handed on by Christ to the leaders of His Church through the Holy Spirit. It only goes to show that you do not have the presence of the Holy Spirit in your ministers. They are useless because they are fake, artificial, self-invented. That is why together with St. Paul our Catholic Ministers of the House of God - the priests can declare:
2 Corinthians 2:10 [KJV] "To whom ye forgive anything, I FORGIVE ALSO: for if I FORGAVE anything, to whom I FORGAVE IT, for your sakes FORGAVE I it IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST."
Ha, ha, ha... THAT'S IT! ST. PAUL FORGIVES IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST. The Apostles from Peter to John the Beloved forgave "In the Person of Christ." Because the Apostles are chosen and empowered by Christ. They are Ministers of Christ. And one of the authorities given to them is to forgive sins in the person of Christ. This is what we call THE APOSTOLIC MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION:
2 Corinthians 5:18 [KJV] "And all things are of God who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and HATH GIVEN TO US THE MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION."
O ho, ho, ho... Do you have that? No, you don't have that and you even denounce us for having it. Ha, ha, ha... We have that Ministry of Reconciliation and we are proud of it because we, being the True Church, is the recipient of such heavenly gift.
[It is, in fact, the proof that the Catholic priests are the transgressors of Christ's commandment in Mat. 23:9, if we buy "Father" Abe's idea of that cited verse. Why? Referring to Mat. 23:9, Father Abe wrote,
"WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE PROHIBITION THEN? THAT THE AUTHORITY OF GOD MUST NOT BE USURPED BY MEN AND THAT WE MUST ALL CONSIDER GOD AS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY OF OUR LIFE BECAUSE HE IS OUR FATHER."]
HOW CAN IT BE A VIOLATION WHEN THE LORD JESUS HIMSELF GAVE POWERS TO HIS APOSTLES THE AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS? OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OF JOHN 20:21-23. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE AUTHORITY OF ST. PAUL TO FORGIVE SINS IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST.
[Isn't proclaiming yourself a "Father" in the sense that you are a "Father of souls", just like God, a daring and stubborn act of equality with God? And forgiving sins thru confession a usurpation of God's authority?]
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE BIBLICAL VERSES WHEREIN HUMAN PERSONS ARE CALLED FATHER. SO YOUR ACCUSATION FALLS FLAT ON THE POWER OF THE WORD OF GOD.
[Did Christ give the Apostles the authority to forgive sins thru confession, the way Catholic priests do to forgive the sins of their members? No! What Christ gave to his Apostles was the authority to baptize for forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38), not the authority to forgive sins thru confession, not the usurpation of God's authority.]
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE BIBLE DECLARED THAT THE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH HAVE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS COMING FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE LORD JESUS.
[Only God can forgive the sins committed against Him by his people.]
HA HA HA... SORRY FOR YOU MANOLISTA. JESUS IS CATEGORICALLY AND DIRECTLY FORGIVING SINS YET YOU ARE CALLING HIM "ONLY HUMAN AND NOT GOD". IF ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS HOW COME THE HUMAN 'CHRIST' CAN FORGIVE SINS?
YOUR TEACHING IS DEMONIC BECAUSE THAT IS THE TEACHING OF THE PHARISEES:
Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
* It is very striking that the Anti-Catholics are using this reasoning that Confession to priests must be rejected because only God can forgive sins. They failed to realize that the reasoning belongs to the Pharisees. GOD IS THE SOURCE OF ALL AUTHORITY CONCERNING FORGIVENESS OF SINS BUT HE HANDED THAT POWER TO HIS SON JESUS WHO IN TURN HANDED IT TO HIS MINISTERS.
"WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE PROHIBITION THEN? THAT THE AUTHORITY OF GOD MUST NOT BE USURPED BY MEN AND THAT WE MUST ALL CONSIDER GOD AS THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY OF OUR LIFE BECAUSE HE IS OUR FATHER."]
HOW CAN IT BE A VIOLATION WHEN THE LORD JESUS HIMSELF GAVE POWERS TO HIS APOSTLES THE AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS? OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OF JOHN 20:21-23. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE AUTHORITY OF ST. PAUL TO FORGIVE SINS IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST.
[Isn't proclaiming yourself a "Father" in the sense that you are a "Father of souls", just like God, a daring and stubborn act of equality with God? And forgiving sins thru confession a usurpation of God's authority?]
WE HAVE GIVEN YOU THE BIBLICAL VERSES WHEREIN HUMAN PERSONS ARE CALLED FATHER. SO YOUR ACCUSATION FALLS FLAT ON THE POWER OF THE WORD OF GOD.
[Did Christ give the Apostles the authority to forgive sins thru confession, the way Catholic priests do to forgive the sins of their members? No! What Christ gave to his Apostles was the authority to baptize for forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38), not the authority to forgive sins thru confession, not the usurpation of God's authority.]
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE BIBLE DECLARED THAT THE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH HAVE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS COMING FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE LORD JESUS.
[Only God can forgive the sins committed against Him by his people.]
HA HA HA... SORRY FOR YOU MANOLISTA. JESUS IS CATEGORICALLY AND DIRECTLY FORGIVING SINS YET YOU ARE CALLING HIM "ONLY HUMAN AND NOT GOD". IF ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS HOW COME THE HUMAN 'CHRIST' CAN FORGIVE SINS?
YOUR TEACHING IS DEMONIC BECAUSE THAT IS THE TEACHING OF THE PHARISEES:
Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
* It is very striking that the Anti-Catholics are using this reasoning that Confession to priests must be rejected because only God can forgive sins. They failed to realize that the reasoning belongs to the Pharisees. GOD IS THE SOURCE OF ALL AUTHORITY CONCERNING FORGIVENESS OF SINS BUT HE HANDED THAT POWER TO HIS SON JESUS WHO IN TURN HANDED IT TO HIS MINISTERS.
JESUS TOLD THE PARALYTIC: "SON, YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN" Matthew 9:2/ Mark 2:10-12/ Luke 5:24-25 Also see Luke 7:47 The forgiveness of the sinful woman who anointed Jesus with perfume from alabaster jar.
BOTH THE HEALING OF THE PARALYTIC AND THE REPENTANT WOMAN WHO ANOINTED JESUS SHOWED THAT JESUS WHO IS MAN ONLY FOR MANALO CAN FORGIVE SINS. SO IT DESTROYS YOUR CLAIM THAT ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS UNLESS YOU ADMIT THAT JESUS IS GOD.
[The Catholic priests are usurping that authority. Hence, the Catholic priests are, as how "Father" Abe explains the meaning of the prohibition in Mat. 23:9, the ones who violated that prohibition.]
THERE IS NO USURPATION BUT WE SIMPLY EXERCISE THE AUTHORITY GIVEN BY JESUS TO HIS TRUE CHURCH TO FORGIVE SINS. THE USURPER IS FELIX MANALO WHO IS A FAKE ANGEL. HE IS USURPING THE TITLE OF THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA CLAIMING IT FOR PUNTA STA. ANA. HA HA HA....
[Not to mention the fact that the Catholic clergy are parading in robes
arrayed like Christ, The Lamb of God, calling themselves "Father".]
THE VESTMENTS OF OUR CLERGY IS TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE. THE TUNIC WORN BY JESUS SHOWS THAT HE IS A PRIEST OF GOD'S KINGDOM AND OUR PRIESTS FOLLOWED THE COMMAND OF GOD FOR HIS CONSECRATED PRIESTS:
HOLY GARMENTS PRESCRIBED BY GOD FOR THE MINISTERS OF THE TEMPLE:
Ex 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Ex 28:2 And thou shalt make HOLY GARMENTSfor Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
Ex 28:3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
THE PRIESTS MUST BE CLOTHED WITH HOLY GARMENTS SPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR BEAUTY AND GLORY. THE LORD GOD CATEGORICALLY WILLED THAT IT MUST BE A ROBE AND AN EMBROIDERED COAT:
Ex 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a ROBE, and a BROIDERED COAT, a MITRE, and a GIRDLE: and they shall make HOLY GARMENTSfor Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he mayminister unto me in the priest's office.
OUR PRIESTS ARE WEARING ROBES WITH BROIDERED COATS AND GIRDLE TO TIE THEM, OUR BISHOPS AND POPES WEAR MITRE. IT MUST BE MADE OF FINE LINE CLOTH:
Ex 28:5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
THAT IS HOW WE ARE DRESSED... EVEN THE COLORS ARE THE SAME. YET THE IGLESIA NI MANALO PASTORS ARE DRESSED IN BARONG AND BUSINESS SUIT. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE PASTORS SHOULD WEAR BARONG AND BUSINESS SUIT? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
YOUR BARONG ARE IN WHITE SHOWING THAT YOU ARE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. BARONG IS FOR SOCIAL CLASS IN PHILIPPINE CULTURE SO IT SHOWS THAT YOUR PASTORS ARE SOCIAL CLIMBERS. THEN, BUSINESS SUIT OF THE EUROPEANS... IT MEANS YOU ARE MERELY DOING BUSINESS IN GUISE OF RELIGION.
AGAIN WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH SHOULD WEAR BARONG AND BUSINESS SUIT?
THERE IS NO USURPATION BUT WE SIMPLY EXERCISE THE AUTHORITY GIVEN BY JESUS TO HIS TRUE CHURCH TO FORGIVE SINS. THE USURPER IS FELIX MANALO WHO IS A FAKE ANGEL. HE IS USURPING THE TITLE OF THE BISHOP OF SMYRNA CLAIMING IT FOR PUNTA STA. ANA. HA HA HA....
[Not to mention the fact that the Catholic clergy are parading in robes
arrayed like Christ, The Lamb of God, calling themselves "Father".]
THE VESTMENTS OF OUR CLERGY IS TAKEN FROM THE BIBLE. THE TUNIC WORN BY JESUS SHOWS THAT HE IS A PRIEST OF GOD'S KINGDOM AND OUR PRIESTS FOLLOWED THE COMMAND OF GOD FOR HIS CONSECRATED PRIESTS:
HOLY GARMENTS PRESCRIBED BY GOD FOR THE MINISTERS OF THE TEMPLE:
Ex 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Ex 28:2 And thou shalt make HOLY GARMENTSfor Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
Ex 28:3 And thou shalt speak unto all that are wise hearted, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom, that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
THE PRIESTS MUST BE CLOTHED WITH HOLY GARMENTS SPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR BEAUTY AND GLORY. THE LORD GOD CATEGORICALLY WILLED THAT IT MUST BE A ROBE AND AN EMBROIDERED COAT:
Ex 28:4 And these are the garments which they shall make; a breastplate, and an ephod, and a ROBE, and a BROIDERED COAT, a MITRE, and a GIRDLE: and they shall make HOLY GARMENTSfor Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he mayminister unto me in the priest's office.
OUR PRIESTS ARE WEARING ROBES WITH BROIDERED COATS AND GIRDLE TO TIE THEM, OUR BISHOPS AND POPES WEAR MITRE. IT MUST BE MADE OF FINE LINE CLOTH:
Ex 28:5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen.
THAT IS HOW WE ARE DRESSED... EVEN THE COLORS ARE THE SAME. YET THE IGLESIA NI MANALO PASTORS ARE DRESSED IN BARONG AND BUSINESS SUIT. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE PASTORS SHOULD WEAR BARONG AND BUSINESS SUIT? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
YOUR BARONG ARE IN WHITE SHOWING THAT YOU ARE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. BARONG IS FOR SOCIAL CLASS IN PHILIPPINE CULTURE SO IT SHOWS THAT YOUR PASTORS ARE SOCIAL CLIMBERS. THEN, BUSINESS SUIT OF THE EUROPEANS... IT MEANS YOU ARE MERELY DOING BUSINESS IN GUISE OF RELIGION.
AGAIN WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH SHOULD WEAR BARONG AND BUSINESS SUIT?
[Christ never dared call Himself "Father" the way wolves-in-sheep's-clothing do!]
O HO HO HO... THE PROPHET ISAIAH CALLED CHRIST: "EVERLASTING FATHER":
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
SO, THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS "FATHER", MUCH MORE EVERLASTING FATHER. IT MAKES YOU A LIAR THEN.
[The Pope, claiming to be the "Vicar of Christ", even went higher than Christ and the Apostles in this respect.]
HA HA HA... ONLY FOOLS WILL CLAIM THAT THE VICAR OF CHRIST IS HIGHER THAN CHRIST. VICAR MEANS REPRESENTATIVE, AMBASSADOR... HOW CAN THE REPRESENTATIVE OR AMBASSADOR BE HIGHER THAN THE POWER THAT HE REPRESENTS? YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH.
[Never did the Apostles usurp God’s authority, nor did they strive to be puffed up and reach for God’s title. Only Satan did and his army of darkness who are trying to rob God of His glory and to bring Him down to their level!]
THE APOSTLES NEVER USURP GOD'S AUTHORITY AND SO DO WE. BUT THE MANALOS USURP THE AUTHORITY OF CHRIST BY CLAIMING THAT THE CORPORATION THAT HE HAD FOUNDED TOGETHER WITH SOME OTHER DECEIVERS ARE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. O NO. THAT IS THE CHURCH OF MANALO NOT OF CHRIST. THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS FOUNDED BY CHRIST AND NOT BY MANALO.
O HO HO HO... THE PROPHET ISAIAH CALLED CHRIST: "EVERLASTING FATHER":
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
SO, THE BIBLE CALLED JESUS "FATHER", MUCH MORE EVERLASTING FATHER. IT MAKES YOU A LIAR THEN.
[The Pope, claiming to be the "Vicar of Christ", even went higher than Christ and the Apostles in this respect.]
HA HA HA... ONLY FOOLS WILL CLAIM THAT THE VICAR OF CHRIST IS HIGHER THAN CHRIST. VICAR MEANS REPRESENTATIVE, AMBASSADOR... HOW CAN THE REPRESENTATIVE OR AMBASSADOR BE HIGHER THAN THE POWER THAT HE REPRESENTS? YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH.
[Never did the Apostles usurp God’s authority, nor did they strive to be puffed up and reach for God’s title. Only Satan did and his army of darkness who are trying to rob God of His glory and to bring Him down to their level!]
THE APOSTLES NEVER USURP GOD'S AUTHORITY AND SO DO WE. BUT THE MANALOS USURP THE AUTHORITY OF CHRIST BY CLAIMING THAT THE CORPORATION THAT HE HAD FOUNDED TOGETHER WITH SOME OTHER DECEIVERS ARE THE CHURCH OF CHRIST. O NO. THAT IS THE CHURCH OF MANALO NOT OF CHRIST. THE CHURCH OF CHRIST IS FOUNDED BY CHRIST AND NOT BY MANALO.
[Assuming, for the sake of argument, that your title “Father” is used in the same sense as how Paul the Apostle used it, can you please tell me: how did Paul become a father?]
PAUL BECAME A FATHER SPIRITUALLY BECAUSE HE IS THE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF THE CHURCH JUST LIKE ABRAHAM DID FOR THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.
[Is it the same as your being a “Father”?]
YES. WE ARE BOTH SERVANTS OF CHRIST CHOSEN TO BE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH AND WE ARE BOTH SERVING AS PRIESTS. AND PAUL AND I ARE BOTH UNMARRIED SO OUR FATHERHOOD IS NOT BIOLOGICAL.
[In what way?]
IN A SPIRITUAL WAY AND IN A MINISTERIAL WAY AND IN A PRIESTLY WAY.
[In the same context, is David’s or Abraham’s fatherhood the same as yours?]
DAVID'S FATHERHOOD TO SOLOMON AND ABRAHAM'S FATHERHOOD TO ISAAC IS NOT THE SAME WITH MINE OR THAT OF ST. PAUL BECAUSE ST. PAUL AND I DO NOT HAVE BIOLOGICAL SONS. BUT DAVID'S FATHERHOOD TO HIS PEOPLE AND THAT OF ABRAHAM TO HIS PEOPLE IS THE SAME WITH OURS. ITS NOT BIOLOGICAL BUT SPIRITUAL.
[There’s no argument that in the Bible there are a lot of human persons who were called “father”.]
IT MEANS YOU ARE BASICALLY IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE. JUST SEARCH FOR THE WORD FATHER IN THE BIBLE AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY HUMAN PERSONS WHO WERE CALLED FATHER OR FATHERS EVEN THOSE WHO ARE NOT RELATED BIOLOGICALLY.
[But for sure they’re not the type of father whom Christ was referring to when He made the prohibition in Mat. 23:9; otherwise, Christ would have been contradicting the Bible.]
CHRIST IS NOT CONTRADICTING THE BIBLE. IT IS MANALO WHO IS CONTRADICTING THE BIBLE BECAUSE OF HIS NARROW MINDED AND FOOLISH INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES.
[Therefore there’s no sense bringing those Biblical fathers into the argument since mentioning them in no way justifies your “Father” title which is ridiculously different from those of the Biblical characters.]
HA HA HA... IT MEANS YOU ARE NON-SENSE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THAT INTO ARGUMENT. YOU ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT FROM SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE. YOU ARE DELUSIONALLY SEEING CONTRADICTION WHEN THERE IS NONE AT ALL. YOU CREATED A PROBLEM AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN REFUTED YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT IT IS NON-SENSE. YOU ARE NON-SENSE.
[You might insist on the sanity of your argument by claiming that your fatherhood is indeed the same as those of the biblical fathers you mentioned.]
THE INSANITY IS IN YOUR FOOLISH INTERPRETATION OF THE WORDS OF JESUS THAT HUMAN PERSONS CANNOT BE CALLED 'FATHER'. WE HAVE PROVEN YOU WRONG. BESIDES YOU TWISTED THE MEANING OF THE TEXT TO REFER ONLY TO CATHOLIC PRIESTS. THAT IS DEMONIC. JESUS NEVER STATED THAT PRIESTS CANNOT BE CALLED FATHER BECAUSE THEY ARE CALLED FATHER.
[Then you are left with the obligation to show us your proof of equality of your fatherhood with those whom you mentioned. The burden of proof is yours, “Father”. Please show them to us and I’ll try to examine the veracity or flimsiness of your claims.]
HA HA HA... HELLO? YOU ARE THE ACCUSER. LIKE SATAN YOU ARE THE ACCUSER HERE SO IT IS YOUR DUTY TO PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION THAT PRIESTS ARE PROHIBITED TO BE CALLED FATHER. WE HAVE SHOWN FROM THE BIBLE THAT PRIESTS CAN BE CALLED FATHER. WE HAVE PROVEN THAT HUMAN BEINGS CAN BE CALLED FATHER. SO, THAT'S IT. THE CASE IS FINISHED. YOU ARE REFUTED. YOUR DEMAND FOR SENSE IS SENSELESS BECAUSE WORD FOR WORD THERE ARE VERSES SHOWN REFUTING YOUR OPPOSITION.
PAUL BECAME A FATHER SPIRITUALLY BECAUSE HE IS THE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF THE CHURCH JUST LIKE ABRAHAM DID FOR THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.
[Is it the same as your being a “Father”?]
YES. WE ARE BOTH SERVANTS OF CHRIST CHOSEN TO BE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH AND WE ARE BOTH SERVING AS PRIESTS. AND PAUL AND I ARE BOTH UNMARRIED SO OUR FATHERHOOD IS NOT BIOLOGICAL.
[In what way?]
IN A SPIRITUAL WAY AND IN A MINISTERIAL WAY AND IN A PRIESTLY WAY.
[In the same context, is David’s or Abraham’s fatherhood the same as yours?]
DAVID'S FATHERHOOD TO SOLOMON AND ABRAHAM'S FATHERHOOD TO ISAAC IS NOT THE SAME WITH MINE OR THAT OF ST. PAUL BECAUSE ST. PAUL AND I DO NOT HAVE BIOLOGICAL SONS. BUT DAVID'S FATHERHOOD TO HIS PEOPLE AND THAT OF ABRAHAM TO HIS PEOPLE IS THE SAME WITH OURS. ITS NOT BIOLOGICAL BUT SPIRITUAL.
[There’s no argument that in the Bible there are a lot of human persons who were called “father”.]
IT MEANS YOU ARE BASICALLY IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE. JUST SEARCH FOR THE WORD FATHER IN THE BIBLE AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY HUMAN PERSONS WHO WERE CALLED FATHER OR FATHERS EVEN THOSE WHO ARE NOT RELATED BIOLOGICALLY.
[But for sure they’re not the type of father whom Christ was referring to when He made the prohibition in Mat. 23:9; otherwise, Christ would have been contradicting the Bible.]
CHRIST IS NOT CONTRADICTING THE BIBLE. IT IS MANALO WHO IS CONTRADICTING THE BIBLE BECAUSE OF HIS NARROW MINDED AND FOOLISH INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURES.
[Therefore there’s no sense bringing those Biblical fathers into the argument since mentioning them in no way justifies your “Father” title which is ridiculously different from those of the Biblical characters.]
HA HA HA... IT MEANS YOU ARE NON-SENSE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THAT INTO ARGUMENT. YOU ARE MAKING AN ARGUMENT FROM SOMETHING WHICH IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE. YOU ARE DELUSIONALLY SEEING CONTRADICTION WHEN THERE IS NONE AT ALL. YOU CREATED A PROBLEM AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN REFUTED YOU ARE CLAIMING THAT IT IS NON-SENSE. YOU ARE NON-SENSE.
[You might insist on the sanity of your argument by claiming that your fatherhood is indeed the same as those of the biblical fathers you mentioned.]
THE INSANITY IS IN YOUR FOOLISH INTERPRETATION OF THE WORDS OF JESUS THAT HUMAN PERSONS CANNOT BE CALLED 'FATHER'. WE HAVE PROVEN YOU WRONG. BESIDES YOU TWISTED THE MEANING OF THE TEXT TO REFER ONLY TO CATHOLIC PRIESTS. THAT IS DEMONIC. JESUS NEVER STATED THAT PRIESTS CANNOT BE CALLED FATHER BECAUSE THEY ARE CALLED FATHER.
[Then you are left with the obligation to show us your proof of equality of your fatherhood with those whom you mentioned. The burden of proof is yours, “Father”. Please show them to us and I’ll try to examine the veracity or flimsiness of your claims.]
HA HA HA... HELLO? YOU ARE THE ACCUSER. LIKE SATAN YOU ARE THE ACCUSER HERE SO IT IS YOUR DUTY TO PROVE YOUR ACCUSATION THAT PRIESTS ARE PROHIBITED TO BE CALLED FATHER. WE HAVE SHOWN FROM THE BIBLE THAT PRIESTS CAN BE CALLED FATHER. WE HAVE PROVEN THAT HUMAN BEINGS CAN BE CALLED FATHER. SO, THAT'S IT. THE CASE IS FINISHED. YOU ARE REFUTED. YOUR DEMAND FOR SENSE IS SENSELESS BECAUSE WORD FOR WORD THERE ARE VERSES SHOWN REFUTING YOUR OPPOSITION.
